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Post by Grey on Oct 2, 2012 20:04:05 GMT -6
I have a healthy respect for medicine cats and their work. I'm not trying to devalue them in the eyes of the critics here - I am trying to see the thing from Cinderpelt's point of you. Correct me if I'm wrong (because I haven't read any of the books in a very long time) but she didn't like being a medicine cat at all and viewed it as fussing around with plants instead of "proper" training.
Obviously, this is not how I feel about the matter. I just wanted to clear that up, in case anyone thought I was off hating on medicine cats.
But yes, great post, Ten. I think you're right there - having a disability shouldn't make a cat a candidate for reincarnation. If it did, I would have thought that Brightheart/Lostface would be on the cards sometime in the future.
Unless, of course, we are taking into account the fact that, despite her disability, Brightheart/Lostface went on to achieve the things she wanted with her life - a devoted mate, her clan's respect, the true title of warrior, adapted living and duties to help support her clan.
I think that's the fundamental difference between Cinderpelt and Brightheart/Lostface. The latter went on to live her life, and the former was forced to watch the life she wanted get away on her. That's what I was attempting (badly) to say when I made the comment about fussing with herbs.
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Post by victorystars on Oct 2, 2012 21:31:47 GMT -6
Even as a little child, I always wondered why other cats didn't get reinarnted. Cats that had less of a chane to prove themselves. What about the kits who were born dead? Or died shortly after birth? They never got to do what they wanted, why don't they deserve the chance?
I think the ssue wth Cinderpelt is that one of the Erin's (forget which one), said that Cinderpelt was only reincarnated becauseshe was the Erin's favurite cat, or something like that? I'll have to find the quote when I'm on a better laptop..Warrior's wiki isn't working on this one.
Why wasn't Swiftpaw reincarnated? He never got to be a wrrior. He died in a gruesome way, trying to prove he COULD be a warrior.
Why wasn't Snowkit reincarnated? The deaf kit that was taken by a hawk?
What actuall made Cinderpelt so special? Why did she get picked, over the masses of Starclan cats that never got to live their lives, and never got to experience half of the things she did? All things considered, Cinderpelt's life wasn't that bad. She got to have all the socialness with her clan, and she lived a pretty full life. What makes her so special?
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Post by leah on Oct 3, 2012 15:04:29 GMT -6
Victory, it's possible they WERE reincarnated. Cinderkit was named in Cinderpelt's honor; it's just coincidence that they have similar names. Now, we know Swiftpaw is in Starclan, because Firestar saw him when he got his nine lives, but there's no proof Snowkit is there. He might have been reincarnated into a cat with a completely different name, so we have no idea where he is. Now, I'm just making up random scenarios, it definitely does suck that Cinderpelt is the only cat we know for sure was reincarnated.
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Post by Lady Ten on Oct 3, 2012 19:41:43 GMT -6
Ten, I would be very much honored if I could kiss you for that post. Unless that's creepy, in which case a simple hearty handshake will suffice. You are really cool for asking for virtual consent. You may kiss my hand and make me feel like a lady. :3On the topic of Snowkit, we don't have any evidence to say he was reincarnated, but it makes an interesting thought experiment because, supposing he were, what would the signs of it be? Would he simply be living "attached," in a sense, to another cat's spirit, unable to exert sentient influence while consciously experiencing a life, as in Cinderpelt-heart's case?
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Post by mistytail on Oct 3, 2012 20:10:03 GMT -6
Ten, I would be very much honored if I could kiss you for that post. Unless that's creepy, in which case a simple hearty handshake will suffice. You are really cool for asking for virtual consent. You may kiss my hand and make me feel like a lady. :3Eeeexcellent. ALL ABOARD THE SMOOCH EXPRESS. Now, on-topic: Is it really reincarnation if they're consciously percieving their new life? As far as I understand it, reincarnation is usually defined as a complete do-over, meaning you have zero recollection of your previous life.
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Post by cloudbat on Oct 4, 2012 9:02:33 GMT -6
Good question. Of course, there's also the whole business of: Is it Cinderpelt in there, or just Cinderheart? Or both? To what extent? Who's really 'dominant?'
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Post by celestialsquared on Oct 4, 2012 10:59:42 GMT -6
Victory, it's possible they WERE reincarnated. Cinderkit was named in Cinderpelt's honor; it's just coincidence that they have similar names. Now, we know Swiftpaw is in Starclan, because Firestar saw him when he got his nine lives, but there's no proof Snowkit is there. He might have been reincarnated into a cat with a completely different name, so we have no idea where he is. Now, I'm just making up random scenarios, it definitely does suck that Cinderpelt is the only cat we know for sure was reincarnated. This is a good point. I think the only reason Cinderheart/pelt was such an open case is because she's Vicky's favorite character. There can be plenty of reincarnated cats because not all of the dead cats are confirmed StarClan/Dark Forest members. And on who's dominant, the books implied that Cinderpelt is no longer part of Cinderheart because she had achieved her dream through her and her spirit left her. Apparently, they're two separate cats. It reminds me of Kikyo and Kagome from Inuyasha where one was the reincarnation of the other and yet they were two seperate people @.@
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Post by cloudbat on Oct 4, 2012 12:04:28 GMT -6
...the sad part is, I know exactly what you're referring to so I get it now. XD /watched the first two seasons once upon a time
Good point though.
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Post by leah on Oct 4, 2012 15:50:39 GMT -6
I like to think that Firestar didn't get a life from Swiftpaw because he was reincarnated. Of course I don't know who else Firestar would get a life from but whatevs. I like to think Swiftpaw became either Rainwhisker or Sootfur, since they were born shortly after he died.
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