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Post by celestialsquared on Dec 13, 2012 14:38:04 GMT -6
Meaning the WindClan under Tallstar's rule. For an arc and a half , WindClan was always portrayed as the weakest of them all, always depending on ThunderClan for help. But as soon as Onestar came into power they are suddenly as strong as everyone else, even going so far as to break their friendship with ThunderClan. Now ThunderClan (as far as I know) no longer has any established allies.
Why is that? Was it not possible for two strong clans to get along with each other? I would hate to think that Tallstar was just that bad of a leader, but why was it that WindClan was always in the worst shape?
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Post by mistytail on Dec 13, 2012 17:33:55 GMT -6
I think WindClan was initially set up as weak because they had been missing from the first book, and Fireheart and Graystripe's first warrior mission was to find WindClan and bring them home. From that point on the whole Clan's well being seemed dependent on the actions of our protagonist, who was from ThunderClan. There's also the whole "WindClan live on a moor and everyone else has a forest" thing going on.
ThunderClan watched as WindClan's old leader died pitifully of old age, and in his implied senility changed the deputy of WindClan just because he could right before he took his last breath. Onewhisker's own Clan questioned his leadership ability, and I think when Mudclaw died and he became Onestar, he felt that he had to show himself as a strong and powerful leader, and became a jerk to Firestar to prove that WindClan didn't need anyone anymore.
Or it could just be the Erins wanting "omg drama." That's also a pretty viable excuse.
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Post by vbfdoee on Dec 13, 2012 21:18:15 GMT -6
I think it's really terrible that the only way the Erins could write a Clan that's actually on friendly terms with ThunderClan was to have it in a completely subservient and dependent position. You also see this in the immediate aftermath of Brokenstar being driven out- ShadowClan were fragile and getting back on their feet, and also allied-ish with ThunderClan (until they brought back WindClan, and then gave Brokenstar asylum)
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Post by Lady Ten on Dec 13, 2012 21:29:18 GMT -6
I think it's really terrible that the only way the Erins could write a Clan that's actually on friendly terms with ThunderClan was to have it in a completely subservient and dependent position. hmmmm, sounds like you've got the beginnings of a thesis there. |
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Post by celestialsquared on Dec 14, 2012 15:19:57 GMT -6
I think it's really terrible that the only way the Erins could write a Clan that's actually on friendly terms with ThunderClan was to have it in a completely subservient and dependent position. hmmmm, sounds like you've got the beginnings of a thesis there. A solid thesis, indeed. It seems the easiest way for a person to seem like a hero is if they show compassion to the needy. Unfortunately, WindClan is always needy. Whenever there is a crisis, they're always hit the hardest out of all the clans and ThunderClan always seems to be the one that comes out the strongest. I would like to see ThunderClan become dependent for once. That's another thing I don't get. How can ThunderClan be all POOR WINDCLAN when in the past they didn't give a crap about SkyClan when they had to leave the forest. It's not really any of ThunderClan's business if WindClan can defend themselves or not, but since they're the protagonists they are the only of the clans that show compassion. Also, living on the moor shouldn't be a problem? WindClan cats have adapted the skills and attributes to survive in open spaces . If they didn't then they would have no business living on the moor. |
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Post by pyro on Dec 17, 2012 10:51:49 GMT -6
I didn't really have a problem with Windclan being portrayed as weak at first, you know, when they were just coming back. They'd been driven out, hadn't been doing so well outside their own territory, weren't in the best of conditions...It kind of makes sense that they wouldn't be (for lack of a better phrase) 'full power' immediately after being returned to the moors. And it takes time for animals to recover, especially ones that haven't been getting as much food as they should or have been be-bopping around unfamiliar and stressful places.
If I may use rabbits as an example, a buck of mine was at a crisis point during our family's move to a new house. While I was able to nurse him back to health he's never really been the same chubby bunny he was prior to the rapid weight loss/extreme stress. Another buck was so stressed by a drastic change in environment he died three days after I got him to my house. Granted, the breed of the latter buck is known for being a bit highstrung, but it's still a testament to how sensitive animals are to their environments. Now, to be slightly more relavent, a similar situation occurred with one of my cats. After the move her health only seemed to get worse. She didn't die, but she was definitely never quite the same.
I'll agree that the whole 'suddenly strong with Onewhisker' thing was a bit much....but personally, I never saw Windclan's weakness as an issue. Not in the first series.
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