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Post by victorystars on Nov 23, 2012 19:39:42 GMT -6
Now, I only have two books from the third series, so I don't really know much about her in detail, but reading through the warriors wiki(And Misty's tumblr), I've noticed that the books paint a negative image of her. She's bossy, she's arrogant, she's controlling, she's jealous, she's short-tempered. The books seem to portray her as a jealous, whining shrew, with no positive qualities?
Is this justified? Do we see her enough in a non-hostile environment to make a judgement on her personality?
And why is it that younger warrior fans seem to hate her so much?
I'm honestly not sure, as, like I've said, I haven't read much of the third series and beyond, but can anyone offer some insights as to why she's portrayed that way, and why the fandom seems to despise this cat so much?
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Post by Osprey on Nov 23, 2012 19:55:24 GMT -6
Sadly, I don't think the Books ever gave her positive image, I pity Nightcloud, of course she would be jealous and angry, because Crowfeather openly loves the ex-medicine cat of ThunderClan and only used she to be his mate to prove he was loyal to the clan.
The younger fan hate her so much is because she in the way of the oh so special pairing of Leafpool and Crowfeather. Claiming she stole Crowfeather from Leafpool.
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Post by victorystars on Nov 23, 2012 20:02:10 GMT -6
All I know is that the quotes I've seen on Misty's tumblr are just..Disgusting? I think Rock said them. But it's just disgusting and I can't believe the Erin's are so clearly playing favourites with their characters like this? She never really got a chance to show if she was nice.
"If Nightcloud were a gentle, loving cat like Leafpool, or feisty and warmhearted like Squirrelflight, it would be easier to feel sorry for her. After all, Crowfeather took her as a mate to prove he was loyal to WindClan in spite of everything of trying to run off with the ThunderClan medicine cat. But she's a difficult she-cat to like, with her short temper and her possessiveness over Crowfeather and her son, Breezepaw."
"I speak the truth as I see it, and what some might call the love of a she-cat for her kits, I call jealousy and arrogance. Nightcloud should trust her son to prove his own worth, without leaping in to defend him first. And maybe she should remember that of all Crowfeather's mates, she is the one StarClan have spared to live beside him."
It seems to me that books seem to imply that she's lucky to have Crowfeather treat her the way he does?
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Post by Osprey on Nov 23, 2012 20:08:22 GMT -6
That's just disgusting, Erins are you trying say that girls should be lucky if our man treats us like complete trash and only uses us.
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Post by mistytail on Nov 24, 2012 1:04:06 GMT -6
oh god the utter misogyny surrounding nightcloud is just infruiating. i can't.
i would just copypaste what i wrote on tumblr but i like swear words so i'm gonna restate my feelings here minus my curse words.
Basically, we get introduced to Nightcloud after TNP. Literally one of the first things said about her is that Crowfeather "took her as a mate to prove his loyalty to WindClan." This fragment is already really, really problematic. By saying he "took her as a mate" instead of saying "he became mates with her," she's been reduced to an object he happened to pick up. Furthermore, how exactly does boinking with someone prove your loyalty to a Clan? If that's the case then Crowfeather is loyal to three Clans and nobody's riding his tail about it.
Crowfeather and Nightcloud have one kit, Breezepaw. Right away we see that Crowfeather is neglectful and abusive of Breezepaw, and Nightcloud is constantly jumping to his defense. She's villified for this, but it's pretty obvious that they both have some serious self esteem issues because of Crowfeather. Nightcloud is never praised for going the extra mile and staying actively involved in her child's life, which most parents in Warriors do not. Instead she's painted as jealous and insecure - except she has every right and reason to feel that way. Crowfeather openly loves someone else and constantly goes out of his way to find different variations of "You are not good enough for me, I do not care about you, you are not important in my life," etc. to say to his mate and child.
The fact that she's villified for his abusive behavior? Absolutely unforgivable.
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Post by victorystars on Nov 24, 2012 1:20:47 GMT -6
One thing I always find amusing is when fans call her a wh*re and a sl*t and things like that, despite the fact that she's fiercely loyal to her only mate, even though that loyalty is depicted as jealousy and insecurity. Why is it that she is called every derogatory name under the sun, while her mate(who had two mates prior) is billed as 'poor baby, having to put up with the useless, whining, nagging Nightcloud. Why doesn't he dump her and go back with Leafpool'.
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Post by mistytail on Nov 24, 2012 16:17:51 GMT -6
Because don't you know, Vic? Only women can be sluts! Men have right to their own bodies so they can do whatever they want - in fact, they should have tons of partners, let's celebrate them for it! What? A woman doing the same thing? Slut! Whore! Disgusting! Keep your legs closed and your mouth shut, you dirty skank!
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Post by celestialsquared on Nov 24, 2012 19:20:35 GMT -6
I don't know, I can't blame Nightcloud for being protective. If you thought there was a chance your partner was going to go drifting back to their ex, wouldn't you be a little anxious too? And as far as I know, Nightcloud is just trying to protect the image of her mate as a loyal WindClan cat. That's more than what he deserves, seeing as his little rebellious stage with Leafpool says otherwise.
As I recall, Squirrelpaw had a short temper and Bluefur was overly protective over Whitestorm. And we're supposed to be liking them over Nightcloud? That's BS, Erin.
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Post by mistytail on Nov 24, 2012 20:39:51 GMT -6
(GDI I DID IT AGAIN I'M SORRY AUGH D8)
Yeah, our being instructed by the narrative to vilify Nightcloud for having an adverse reaction to Crowfeather's abusive BS is just really telling of the misogyny. "Oh, poor Crowfeather, you didn't do anything wrong, you deserve a good mate - What? You dare question him despite having good reason to? How dare you! He wouldn't be this way if you weren't so difficult, shame on you!"
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Post by Lady Ten on Nov 26, 2012 16:38:30 GMT -6
Now, I only have two books from the third series, so I don't really know much about her in detail, but reading through the warriors wiki(And Misty's tumblr), I've noticed that the books paint a negative image of her. I don't know how the books portray her (some more book quotes would be wonderful), since I haven't read much of her personally except for a little bit in the Sight (apparently she can carry a grown apprentice like a kitten). However, the wiki doesn't paint a pretty picture. Look of its summary of her actions in Outcast. Ouch. Now I don't know how much of that is fan interpretation (everything after the word "indicating" might not be stated outright in narration) but it doesn't sound like Crowfeather is good enough to deserve her. "I speak the truth as I see it, and what some might call the love of a she-cat for her kits, I call jealousy and arrogance. Nightcloud should trust her son to prove his own worth, without leaping in to defend him first. And maybe she should remember that of all Crowfeather's mates, she is the one StarClan have spared to live beside him." It seems to me that books seem to imply that she's lucky to have Crowfeather treat her the way he does? I can't speak for the former part, because I haven't seen any of the scenes that might potentially be the behavior he's talking about, but as for his conclusion: Mating with Crowfeather is a risky activity, and therefore she should be glad that she hasn't died yet? Okay. A few things here. Rock's comment seems to rest on the following assumptions: 1. Nightcloud is not a good mate toward Crowfeather. 2. StarClan has taken the lives of Crowfeather's other mates. 3. Nightcloud should be a better mate toward Crowfeather because she should be grateful she is still alive (despite mating with Crowfeather). So, on the one hand, the implication does not appear that she should be happy to be abused (yay), but on the other hand, the implication does appear to be that she should be more grateful to be alive (uh...). Can somebody please explain? Furthermore, how exactly does boinking with someone prove your loyalty to a Clan? This too is my question. I don't know, I can't blame Nightcloud for being protective. If you thought there was a chance your partner was going to go drifting back to their ex, wouldn't you be a little anxious too? haha no I would drop the guy like a hot potato. Anyway, if she's going to stay with him, the concern is understandable. Ah yes. This here. The term is "reblogging for truth", yes? (GDI I DID IT AGAIN I'M SORRY AUGH D8) hahaha, it wasn't me this time though. I don't think that needs a warning. But if anyone else believes so, then it just takes one opinion to merit one, if that makes sense (i.e. if someone says "that doesn't need a warning" and someone else says "yes it does," we listen to the yes it does). |
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Post by Grey on Nov 26, 2012 17:15:20 GMT -6
My rule of thumb for child censorship is that if you can't say the word to your grandmother, you shouldn't be saying it around kids either. Not that I expect many kids (or grandmothers) to be hanging around Fourtrees Resurrected, but Warriors does have a fandom starting at a fairly young age-bracket, so better safe than sorry.
Don't stress out. It's not a problem.
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