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Post by Lady Ten on Oct 5, 2012 16:28:20 GMT -6
rogue vs. loner
terrorist vs. freedom fighterAccording to the Warriors Wiki, there is disagreement (and possible continuity errors) regarding the canon distinction between loners and rogues. However, this thread will focus on the usage of the terms among the fans, especially as applies to roleplay characters. Whereas they could have simply taken "rogue" and "loner" as casual means of description as much as one might use "jolly chap" or "scallywag", most fans seem to employ these terms as though they are set, defined ranks, as much as apprentice and warrior. A loner, as the name suggests, is a cat who lives alone. A rogue, on the other hand, is a cat who lives alone... and whom the Clans do not like. The reasons for this may vary (stealing from the Clans or having been exiled for a different crime) but in effect, isn't a rogue just a loner that another cat doesn't like?
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Post by mistytail on Oct 5, 2012 16:41:32 GMT -6
I always thought "rogue" implied cats that caused trouble for the Clans and were exiled. For example, Tigerclaw was a rogue throughout Rising Storm. "Rogue" could also be for cats outside the Clans that live in organized groups that may or may not have competition with the Clans. BloodClan could be a good example of a group of rogues. Loners, on the other hand, are cats more like Barley and Ravenpaw - they're not Clan cats, but they live by themselves in peace and don't bother anyone.
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Post by Lady Ten on Oct 5, 2012 16:46:08 GMT -6
Not sure I would count BloodClan as rogues. They had the nasty attitude of one, but being a rogue is all about fending only for yourself and showing loyalty to no other, and even if they were awful to one another, they still lived as a group and had to cooperate at least as much as is necessary to make that possible. So, even if you don't count BloodClan as a "real" Clan, I don't think rogues would live together. That's not a thing that they do.
This reminds me of that one hilarious time somebody was trying to set up a roleplay about a Clan of loners.
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Post by mistytail on Oct 5, 2012 16:49:52 GMT -6
Is that ever stated, that rogues care only about themselves? I thought that was more of the attitude of the loner, and rogues were by nature just antagonistic to the Clans.
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Post by celestialsquared on Oct 5, 2012 16:53:15 GMT -6
rogue vs. loner
but in effect, isn't a rogue just a loner that another cat doesn't like?
That's exactly what I think a rogue is. Take Sol for example: he caused conflict among the clans and once ShadowClan came to their senses, he was exiled and labeled a rogue instead of before when he was considered a loner. |
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Post by mistytail on Oct 5, 2012 16:58:41 GMT -6
Sol, more like "the epitome of wasted potential."
That kind of falls in line with what I thought: Rogues are by nature antagonistic, and loners are just cats that live alone. .3.
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Post by Lady Ten on Oct 5, 2012 17:04:23 GMT -6
I keep hearing about Sol but I never read him. What was exactly his deal? If someone could make a thread about him sometime, I'd love to read it.
About rogues, it doesn't "say" anywhere that they're of that mind, but it's the definition I take for the way it's used in the fandom. It's certainly the label applied to any loner who "makes trouble".
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Post by mistytail on Oct 5, 2012 17:32:43 GMT -6
Sol was... Odd. Apparently he had a very large part in the last Power of Three book but I never read past Long Shadows. Anyway, he showed up in Eclipse and prophesized the solar eclipse, then went to ShadowClan and caused some problems. He also told the Three they had special powers. He kind of stalked Hollyleaf for a while too. It was weird and never really went anywhere. Like I said, sorely, sorely wasted potential for a really interesting antagonist.
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Post by Grey on Oct 5, 2012 21:07:00 GMT -6
Sol is probably one of the better non-warrior names in the whole series. It just means "sun", and that's reasonable for a cat that predicts eclipses. I only like it because his name has more symbolism than Barley, Harvey and friends. I can't remember reading about him, but apparently shenanigans.
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Post by hediied on May 2, 2013 18:20:43 GMT -6
My first interpretation of the difference between rogue and loner was that a rogue was once a clan cat and then was exiled whereas it is a loner's choice to be alone.
Now examining it, I am really not sure.
By definition, a rogue is a dishonest scoundrel. So does that make any cat living outside of a clan (not a kittypet) that is considered to fit that definition a rogue? Or is the title rogue only for ex-clan cats? I have always thought it was the latter.
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